Talk:Black Alice/Alicetroemeria/@comment-26979215-20171130010113

The thing I love most about Alicetroemeria is that her unique trait is "Pretend Mage" and, despite that, she's one of the best casters available in Part 2. She's just playing around and she's strong enough to outperform almost every other spellcaster you have. And this version of Black Alice isn't even at the top of her game yet if she was being serious.

It's just so weird that we technically have a Monster Lord at full power in our party right now with her only limiter being that wants to play around. Aside from her, the strongest characters we have are the Queens and some ancient monsters in terms of lore, not gameplay. And the characters who should be really strong, have some sort of debuff. Morrigan would be stronger if she wasn't weakened and I'm sure Alma Elma is stronger than her game stats show because she's always dicking around. Alice and Ilias are sealed, Eden and Cassandra are drained of power, Micaela and Lucifina are still immature, our Promestein hasn't injected herself with any crazy drugs yet. Cirque du Croix are weird and hard to place on the power scale. When we fought them in the original trilogy, Luka had a significant debuff. We know they're much weaker than Alice XV, because Luka marathoned all 6 of them in his debuffed state. And we know Alice XV is weaker than Alice XVI but we don't know much Alice XV was buffed by LaCroix. At best, I'd put the individual members of Cirque du Croix around the Monster Lord Contender tier but no higher. If I remember correctly, Bio Lab can be skipped and ONE of the Four Heavenly Knights completes the area on her own, so that's not a high grade for LaCroix and her lackeys.

My point is that Torotoro mostly hasn't let us recruit anyone who could contend with a Monster Lord without some sort of physical debilitiation, aside from Alma Elma, and then they give us Black Alice who can release her limiter any time she wants. It just seems so weird. Maybe Alma Elma is the weakest of the Four Heavenly Knights and we do have her at full power. The only reason she can beat Granberia is because Granberia is weak to pleasure and she beat Hainuwele because Hainuwele couldn't counter being beaten into a pulp.